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[1452] Of Al-Jazeera interview regarding HINDRAF rally: a transcript

Al-Jazeera interviewed S.K. Devamany of the Malaysian Indian Congress, asking his opinion regarding the recent HINDRAF-organized rally.

The following is a rough transcript which I transcribed and wish to share with the readers of this blog. There are some unclear words as interjections occurred throughout the interview. The Malaysian accent itself does not help.

The interview begins in the middle of the video.

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Al-Jazeera: Joining us now for some reaction on the phone from the Malaysian state of Pahang is S.K. Devamany. He is a Member of Parliament for the Malaysian Indian Congress which I should point out is part of the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition government. Sir, can I ask you to begin with, why is it appropriate for the police to be using tear gas and liquid chemical to disperse a peaceful crowd?

S.K. Devamany: Hello…?

AJ: Yes, sir. I’m just asking you why is it appropriate to use force?

SKD: Yes… I think that… Hello? Hello?

AJ: Sir, I’m asking you Why is it appropriate for the police to be using tear gas and liquid chemical to disperse a peaceful crowd?

SKD: First of all, this country Malaysia has been independent for 50 years. And peace has been order of the day. And we have brought tremendous development to this nation. And I must tell you that if this gathering has been orchestrated by people who are not responsible, then it is no good for nation building.

AJ: But…

SKD: 50 years of nationhood has been great.

AJ: …but sir, the, the protest was proceeding peacefully. You said it was illegal but for all intents and purposes, it was a peaceful protest. So, why react with force?

SKD: So, probably the last protest also was reacted in the same manner. If the crowd was probably not… — also unprecedented. And I am not there to see how the police is actually handling the situation. But I must tell you in Malaysia, we don’t have a culture of protest this way. We are a democratic country, people can [unclear] through their ballot boxes, their patrons for candidates, and other presentations.

AJ: Why then—

SKD: And then… [unclear]…

AJ: why then if there is a democratic process in place do you not allow protest to take place. These people had requested for a permit and you turned it down. Why is that necessary?

SKD: I think the intention was… was wrong. I think because religion [unclear] used and religion issue is very sensitive in this part of the nation. [unclear] multi-religious nation and things can go out of place when emotions are flaring.

AJ: But hold on…

SKD: [unclear] very careful when we are dealing with emotion.

AJ: …you seem to be suggesting that the protesters were causing the violence but in fact that was not the case. It was—

SKD: [unclear]

AJ: —clearly the… the police that were taking the aggressive stance by firing tear gas and spraying chemical through water cannon. They—

SKD: [unclear]

AJ: —were not provoked by the protesters.

SKD: [unclear]. We have to see the type of people who came for the demonstration. I am not there, but I wish that the demonstrators are mature and know how to handle themselves—

AJ: Sir, what do you mean by… what do you mean by type of people? …

SKD: —[unclear].

AJ: … Are you referring to the fact that these people are of.. are of Indian ethnicity? Is that something the government cannot accept, Indians taking to the streets?

SKD: No, no. I don’t think so. I don’t think so. The PM Prime Minister has been giving tremendous allowances for openness, and feedbacks from the people, the press has been given freedom, legislatively, the freedom has been given the last 4 years.

AJ: Okay.

SKD: And the result of [unclear] because of the openness. And I think the reaction could be instigated by one or two incidents which could have been overshot, overblown. And that is a reason. A layman doesn’t know exactly what is being done.

AJ: Alright. S.K. Devamany on the phone. I’m afraid we have to leave it there. But we do appreciate you giving us your comment.

SKD: If you asked me, my, my… [unclear].

AJ: S.K. Devamany from the Malaysian Indian Congress.

So, did the MP answer the question?

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[1450] Of mostly uninterested in HINDRAF but interested in liberty

News of demolition of Hindu temples by local authorities that comes to surface from time to time is indeed disturbing but its status on government land blurs the line between right and wrong. Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF) is one of a number of entities that are trying to stop any temple from demolition.

Frankly, I was uninterested in HINDRAF. It is partly to my slight inclination preferring not to have anything do to with religion as well as partly to me being undecided on the issue of temple demolition. I have read of mosques being torn down elsewhere and so I figured, what is so different with a Hindu temple?

Some may have countered that point by stating some of these temples are decades old. Fair enough but I am still staying firm on the fence, with equal force pulling to both sides.

That asides, HINDRAF’s action to drag the British government into local tussle — it is suing the British government for bringing Indians to Malaya, for exploiting them and then leaving them behind — sounds like a comedy. This Sunday, it plans to hold a rally in front of the British embassy, trying to get the British attention, and maybe trying to achieve the same success Bersih had achieved just weeks earlier. It amuses me. At the same time, there is a slight disgust in me of HINDRAF; I am not comfortable of the idea of getting foreigners involved though perhaps, HINDRAF had exhausted all local avenues and had no other choice but this. That notwithstanding, I have a feeling that members of HINDRAF are saying that they wished that they had not been Malaysians. If indeed that is the message HINDRAF is sending, it is hard to sympathize with them. Whatever it might mean, I take that their action is merely as an attention grabber, attracting spotlights from across the sea to highlight the issues that HINDRAF is working on. It is a strategic rather than a be all, end all action. But I essentially did not care. It was a Hindu issue with complex background and too communal to fit my taste.

I however start to care when outright transgression of liberty is happening. I start to care when the police begins to arrest individuals just because these individuals are expressing their opinion, however strong that opinion may be. I start to care when freedom to assemble is being robbed from free people.

This issue has gone from a Hindu-centered issue to a question of liberty. To me, it stopped being an exclusively Hindu issue when the BN-led government decides to ban the rally. It stopped being a Hindu issue when the BN government arrested some leaders of HINDRAF under Sedition Act. It is the same case for the Bersih rally. While I believe Bersih demands are acceptable, I do not agree in bringing the monarch into politics; I have a republican tendency. But when the BN-led government decided to challenge liberty, I resolved to join the rally, despite my misgivings.

Had the government in power shown more respect for liberty, I would have continued not to care.

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[1443] Of Bersih on the front page of Wikipedia

See it for yourself:

Fair use. Screenshot of Wikipedia on November 12 2007.

Not only that, see that photo?

That is mine. The full picture was first published on Saturday, November 10 2007. This is the original picture:

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That however is not the photo in full size. Maybe I should license the full size picture, which is of higher quality, appropiately for the use of Wikipedia.

The rally now has its own page at Wikipedia. In 24 hours, it has grown from a stub article to one of respectable length, though it suffers from pronounced bias.

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[1442] Of the atmosphere of the city hours prior to the Bersih rally

The local blogosphere is amassed with photos of the Bersih rally and I have contributed my share. But how was it like before the rally took place, before the tear gas, before the peaceful march to the Istana Negara?

I took the train to stop at Masjid Jamek as around 11:00. I came in early because I did not want to be in a train packed with people. Given massive road blocks set up by the police to discourage the rally (rumors have it that the road blocks were extend all the way down to Johor!), I had expected people to use the train and I definitely wanted to avoid a packed train. The decision was an excellent one as later, both stations at Masjid Jamek and Central Market — the two nearest stations to the Dataran Merdeka — were closed. Trains would scream pass the two stations for an hour or two.

Besides, early birds get the worms and this is proven by how I managed to get into Dataran Merdeka. I was prevented to do so earlier by the police but I will write about that later in this entry.

A stranger even asked where I was from. His tone was irritating and I asked him back the same question just to irritate him. I do not entertain rude people. Rudeness deserves rudeness in return; I am a firm believer of tit-for-tat for a one time encounter; economics teaches me that!

As I set out of the train, police presence could immediately be felt.

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There were police officers all around the area. I know that the government had deployed 4,000 personnel to suppress liberty but number does not quite translate well into reality until one actually sees it for oneself. Sure, the number of police officers from various department at Masjid Jamek did not reach 4,000 but it was enough to give a feeling that something is going to happen, even to those that are clueless, or the yuppies that are concerned with shopping and nothing else.

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I wanted to check out the situation at the other side of the Padang but I was denied entry into the Dataran Merdeka. So, I had to circumvent the whole area, theoretically. Why theorectically? Control of the area was lagged, just like that at our borders, and I managed to enter (maybe sneaked is a better adjective?) Dataran Merdeka with little effort. I was unsure of what would happen to me as there were police — riot police — all around me. I figured, they would have halted my advance even before I took the first step. Yet, I put a confident face and flash my DLSR and I found myself close to the Padang. I am unsure how the flashing helped but I am sure it contributed to my successful entry into the Square.

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Yup. Truckload of, er, trucks?

After witnessing all this, I had a feeling we were in some kind of emergency. The Prime Minister’s earlier “saya pantang dicabar” threat further strengthened a feeling of inevitable violent clash. I was so glad that was not the case for overwhelmingly majority of the rally participants.

The dark sky somehow tried to relay the message to the contrary.

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It was cloudy the whole morning and in fact, the whole day. As I have mentioned earlier, the rain might be a blessing; it made tear gas as well as heat stroke irrelevant.

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The copter was ever paranoid, circling Dataran Merdeka frequently.

While I was passing through Dataran Merdeka, rain started to pour in and I had to seek refuge at the Kuala Lumpur Library. Once the rain stopped for a moment, I continued toward Central Market, one of initial four rallying points.

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And guess what? More police. I think given Johor Bahru’s reputation, that city could use this treatment more than Kuala Lumpur.

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At the very end of Central Market, the one farthest away from Dataran Merdeka, a unit of riot police was being deployed. Many members of the public were amused, taking photos with their cute camera phones. It rained again and I was getting hungry.

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I thought of having my lunch at a socialist-friendly place, despite I myself sitting at the other end of the political spectrum, but Hishamuddin Rais was not there; the restaurant was closed.

That was not before I captured the shot above. They, the police, were everywhere! If the Malayan Emergency that ended in 1960 were still in place, Hishamuddin Rais would have no place to run!

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Disappointed and refusing to eat at anywhere else, I returned to Dataran Merdaka. The riot police, locally known as the Federal Reserve Unit (FRU) had set up a tiny base in front of the Sultan Abdul Samad Building. This unit would become irrelevant because the crowd would bypass the Square altogether. Oh, before I made anybody confused, I am using the terms Dataran Merdeka and Square to refer to the same place.

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MERDEKA! Ironic that while the government celebrates 50th year of Malaysia (despite the fact that Malaysia as a state is only 44 years old), its citizens, us, still struggle to assert our individual liberty. And observe how many police personnel could be seen here.

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Back to the other side… If you wonder why the police stood in line, they were taking shelter from the rain under a train viaduct that runs parallel to the road.

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Ambulances at ready! How thoughtful!

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And back to the other side of the Square. Quite quiet, until Tian Chua and gang emerged.

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Close to the barricade was where the fire brigade made their home.

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The FRU during lighter moment.

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And it poured just before the game began

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[1441] Of from the frontline of Bersih rally

After departing home at around 10:00 to reach Masjid Jamek at around 11:00, only to move around from there to Central Market and later to Dataran Merdeka to witness myself the heavy police presence in the city, getting drenched in the rain while waiting for the rallying crowd, following the crowd all the way to Istana Negara, in the rain until the crowd broke up at around 17:00, and then visiting the Hang Tuah police station, simply just curious how the detained participants of the rally were doing, and reaching home at round 19:00, I am tired. I cannot feel my legs and my brain is simply refusing to churn out words. Thus, photos.

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The police blocked off all entry points into Dataran Merdeka. Though I was not there when it happened, this was close to the spot where tear gas was launched. The rain might be a blessing because it rendered the tear gas useless. Rumors had it that up to 80 people were detained. TV3 says 15. Al Jazeera, 23. According to Sonia Randhawa, at least 20.

The above photo was taken around 13:00, just before the cloud decided to release everything on this fair earth.

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There were 2 copters hovering around Dataran Merdaka. Both kept circling the Padang, probably updating the police force of the situation on the ground with an bird’s eye view. For your information, Dataran Merdaka was full of members of the Federal Reserve Unit, reporters but not participants of the rally. Oh, yeah, and me!

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The day started ominously cloudy. It rained from early morning. The rain took a pause only to pour much heavier later. I was caught in the rain and took shelter at the Kuala Lumpur Library which sits right next to the Royal Selangor Club. At around 14:00, it started to relent and noise could be hear from across the field.

In retrospect, I have no doubt that that noise was associated with the confrontation between the crowd and the police which involved tear gas. I rushed across the Padang to find out what was going on. It turned out, the crowd had decided to skip Dataran Merdaka, which was to be the main rallying point, and head to the final destination, Istana Negara instead. That decision had probably kept the rally from becoming violent.

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Given the Prime Minister “saya pantang dicabar” warning, honestly, I feared for the worst but things went smoothly and that convinced me to join the crowd instead of following them behind the police line, which was what I did earlier. I do not know how did I get the privilege but I think, if one has a DSLR, some liberty stands mightily in the face of tyranny. The police seemed to give me some kind of respect, probably mistaken me as a reporter. Or maybe, they had a larger cake to deal with. But boy, at the Istana, some said it was 20,000, some 40,000, others insisted there were 80,000 people. Whatever it was, the size of the crowd was sufficiently large, as far as the eye could see, for one to say it was uncountable!

Li Tsin overhead an old lady remarked: MILLIONS!

Amusing.

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Here, the Police is seen rushing to reinforce the human wall. Quite unnecessary since the crowd was remarkably organized and disciplined.

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A line formed by the organizer of the rally separated the crowd from the police line, thus preventing any untoward and unwanted incident from happening. I was amazingly impressed and confident that this would be a peaceful rally, which it was. I felt safe mingling with both the crowd and the police.

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A rally participant recording a speech made by somebody.

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Police. Yes, I crossed the police line with impunity countless of times. And I love my D40 even more for that. Okay, okay. I am getting over myself.

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A leader of Parti Keadilan Rakyat, Khalid Ibrahim with a songkok wrapped with a yellow cloth, and in the background with the turban, Abdul Hadi Awang of PAS, were preparing to hand over the Bersih memorandum to a representative of the King.

Meanwhile:

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Look at the boots! Awesome. I want one.

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Yeah, it was starting to become boring. This is clear through my mediocre effort at creative photography, whatever that is supposed to mean.

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They passed the memorandum to the Istana. In the photo, Anwar Ibrahim, Khalid Ibrahim (Are these guys brothers? I know, I know. That is lame.) and Lim Kit Siang.

If you notice, the photos have some kind of glow. I did not do any digital editing to cause that; it was the rain. The rainwater affected the lens; on whether for better or for worse, I am quite unsure.

More photos later. For now, I am grateful for having a bed to lie on.

Before I end, I would really love to hear what the highly intelligent-insulting Information Minister has to say. Previously, he shouted out loud that it is ridiculous to expect a large groups of people to congregate to support the rally. He should be eating his words right now. But I bet he is used to that, anyway.

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p/s — a video on the tear gas episode (via):

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Wow. The scene is quite different than the one I had gone through today.

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pp/s — for photos on the clash at Masjid Jamek, Kickdefella was there.